Indian ( and Hindu) Stupidity Part 3

Read here, and there are many Madurai Veeran temples in Malaysia. They beleive he is a god. Many of them are illegal, hardly patronised, and it's annual prayers includes sacrificing goats, i mean slaughtering goats which is then cooked for the devotees (so-called) . What more can I say, stupidity that knows no bounds.

Read somewhere that Hindu groups are also suspected of converting muslims into hinduism. Give me a break.. they (Hindu groups) are not that bright enough to brain wash others, let alone convert muslims.

For Once, Hassan Ali May Be Right

Immediate Reactions


The recent JAIS raid on Damansara Utama Methodist Church reveals one thing, that people who are KL Centric do not know what they are talking about and some politicians loves to comment without thinking, which is immediately lapped up by their equally stupid hardcore supporters and spread wide through the web and twitter.

No correction are made when they are proven wrong. That's the strategy all along, hit the headlines first with full impact so that their supporters and public takes notice but when clarifications (when they are proven wrong) comes later, they are likely to be in back pages in small columns.

One of first to react to the raid was Tian Chua, who says although Jais is under Selangor State Government, they take instructions from Putrajaya. He says this without any shred of evidence and presumeably without checking with his counterparts in Selangor.


Many other Pakatan Leaders including Khalid Samad reacted angrily, mainly to show that they respect other religions and more importantly, they want their hard won Christian (read non-malay) votes to stay with them. They did this without checking with their own Pakatan colleague in charge of Jais, Hassan Ali. I wonder how would they react when something like this happens when they are in power at federal level. You will have Pakatan Ministers giving their immediate reactions without checking with necessary ministry, confusing the rakyat.

MCA President also caught the (Tian) 'Chua' disease by demanding DAP to answer for the raid, mocking the silence of DAP leaders. Here, what really happened does not matter to Chua Soi Lek as to him, what is at stake are just Chinese votes. How stupid.


Attempts to Proselytise Muslims.

While it has been quite well known that any attempts to proselytise/convert muslims are illegal in Malaysia, I will not be surprised that such activities has been going on for a very long time.
If you look at Hassan Ali's comments on the so-called raid, it may be vaque and demands further clarifications. But if this report from Malaysian Insider is true, then Hassan Ali/Jais maybe right.


“It is not a Christian prayer ... it is more like thanking God almighty,” he told The Malaysian Insider today.
He confirmed that two Malay-language thanksgiving songs were also sung at the dinner — “Allahu Akbar” and “Alhamdullilah” — but similarly denied they were religious in nature.
Annou also brushed off claims by Malay dailies and blogs that the quiz on Islam conducted at the dinner was meant to disparage the religion as the questions were “very general” in nature and “not insulting”.
“It was not to convert anyone, it was not to influence anybody ... They thought this is Ramadan month, they thought let’s have a quiz on Islam,” he said.


If the NGO is all about Helping the poor and HIV patients, why would anyone need to include religious songs especially “Allahu Akbar” and “Alhamdullilah” when the crowd is racially mixed?


If they really want to thank god, they could have asked everyone present to thank their respective god, maybe in silence. Why cant they do this?

Introducing questionaire on Islam just because it is Ramadhan is laughable. Why not have a quiz on HIV so that everyone present can be more well versed on the disease?

The above events, if they really took place ( I have seen the copy agenda of the event in other sites), raises many questions on the intention of the NGO.


Admission of Guilt

Another report here from Malaysian Insider, again if they are realiable, confirms that there are some Christian groups who attempts to proselytise/convert the Muslims. Their modus operandi is to identify the poor, needy and those who have been shunned by the community (eg HIV), help them with their needs, introduce the religion by the way of having various mind enlightenment courses and to cut is short, brainwash them into eventual conversion.
Read here and some sort of denial here


If you think the whole issue is about Christians attempting to proselytise/convert Muslims, you are dead wrong. Even Catholics and other Christian groups are not spared apart from Buddhist, Sikhs and Hindus.


I do have close relatives and friends who are Christians and mostly do not agree with activities of certain Christian Evangalist groups, whose main agenda is seek new followers. I have a Catholic friend who complained that his mother was influenced by Pentecostal movement which practises (I stand corrected) extreme form of worshipping. He was helpless as his mother has become detached from the family, placing importance on activities by the movement above everything else.

If my recollections are accurate, similar groups have in the past managed to convert large number of Indians in the rubber/Palm Oil estates in the 70s and 80s by giving cash, bags of rice and other daily neccesities . Now they are targetting urban poor and this perhaps explains why Muslims are targetted as well. Even recently, I saw a van transporting people to and from a low cost flats bearing name ' XXXX (can't recall) Harapan.


If you ask around, you realise these groups do exist but in it unfair and ridiculous to blame Christians as a whole. This is where Malaysians are lacking after half a century of independence and almost a century co-exisitng in this land. We simply don't know each other well and are fond of generalising.

If you look at other religions, you will realise that there are equal number of deviant groups or cult movements in the name of said religion.

What Now?


Instead of carrying some toilet bowls and brooms to the MB's office, carrying banners, making hundreds of police reports, the so called concerned NGOs and political party should ask themselves, why would Muslims, in this case, or others seek assistance from such groups in the first place. Where were the assistance from NGOs and government (State and Federal) welfare bodies and like what was highlighted by Dr Asri, what happened to the Zakat collections, controlled by state governments, and are they being distributed appropriately to the target group?

And finally, all religious group should just focus on their existing believers/followers. There is no need to seek more believers. Just ensure that the current believers are following and demonstrating the true teaching of respective religions. Get this right first.

You may also wonder why I have not touched on Hindu's. Oh! Yes, I am a Hindu Fanatic. Please....To me, it a gone case. Hindus in Malaysia themselves are not sure of what they are doing in the first place, so do not expect Hindu groups to go around trying to convert others and this will never happen for thousand years unless someone gets enlightened for some reason, like the Mat Sallehs you see in the Thaipusam festival carrying Kavadis. I am not defending Hindus or the religion, its just that they are a confused lot and simply not capable of brain washing others to convert. Get to the below links for my take on Hindus and temples.



http://balankumarpremakumaran.blogspot.com/2008/10/recap-temples-hinduism.html


http://balankumarpremakumaran.blogspot.com/2010/09/stop-building-hindu-temples.html


http://balankumarpremakumaran.blogspot.com/2010/10/selangors-hindu-temples-warisan-merdeka.html


http://balankumarpremakumaran.blogspot.com/2008/08/hindraf.htmlhttp://balankumarpremakumaran.blogspot.com/2008/09/hindraf-i-rest-my-case.html


http://balankumarpremakumaran.blogspot.com/2008/09/hindraf-part-2-memorandum-to-british.html


http://balankumarpremakumaran.blogspot.com/2008/09/ampang-sri-maha-mariamman-temple.html


http://balankumarpremakumaran.blogspot.com/2009/03/found-solution-for-long-suffering.html

To DAP & Lim Guan Eng Loyalists

Read here or below, quite sure that these are facts!

To our beloved Chief Minister of Penang
fmt | July 29, 2011

FMT LETTER

From Sylvester Goh, via e-mail

Saudara Guan Eng,

We, Pakatan supporters, congratulate you on your perfect, top class performance as Chief Minister of Penang. Your boastful letter head with the tagline, “Penang Best Lah – Envy of true-blood Patriotic Malaysians” make egoistic tyrants like Khir Toyo, Ibrahim Ali turn green with envy.

We did not want to write to you to correct you because we know you will never listen to unffavourable feedback. Your comrades complain about your ego. Since we keep receiving the same mail “Penang Best Lah….” sent by your government-paid cyber troopers, we better give you our feedback nevetheless, before you bring the whole of Pakatan Rakyat down with you.

Your self-praises have made Selangor, Kelantan and Kedah Pakatan states look downright incompetent. DAP cadres outside Penang look impotent. Penangites feel that you are ridiculing their true blood local Penangites’ chief ministers of past. The rest of Malaysia is made to feel thirsty for you as the nation’s saviour.

Saudara Guan Eng, we worry that your self-praises (lies) are backfiring on Pakatan with which we hope to capture Putrajaya. People will support Pakatan more if you talk less, okay?

You claim that Penang has the lowest crime rate. Police is a federal matter. Your boys hate the police. Do not claim credit for the success of the police. Penang has always been a peaceful state even when you were in jail.

You talked about Penang contributing two-thirds of the medical tourism in Malaysia. May we ask, how many hospitals have you built in your three years as CM? None. How many clinics have you setup? None.

Reputation as a credible medical hub takes decades to build.

This credit goes to your precedessors and many good people before you appeared on the scene.

You have moved from your in-law’s residence to the government mansion. You have stopped travelling on Air Asia. Now you insist on First Class. Business Class is not good enough. Protocol officers are so scared of your scolding…your sour face.

We voted for you not because of you but because we reject the BN. Do not compare with the BN, Umno and Gerakan. Any tom, dick and harry can do better.

You play the racist, Chinese superior complex emotions. The only place Indians and Malays have in your heart is window dressing. Some of us are also ethnic Chinese and we disapprove of your mentality. We are true Malaysians.

The first thing you did as Penang CM was declare Penang as “NEP-free state”. You showed your racist attitude to please the Chinese. Quietly, nothing transparent, your government continues to award 100% of state contracts to 100% Malay contractors. Chinese contractors call you paper tiger.

You claim that Penang has zero unemployment. Do you not know that jobless Penangnites have migrated to KL, Selangor and China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore? How many factories and jobs have you created in your three years as CM? None. You claimed RM 12.2 billion investments in Penang was the highest among all states in 2010 due to your good governance and leadership.

Billions here and there, without anything to show. Guan Eng, you have learned the trick from Najib. The truth is that over 80% are re-investments by existing investors who have invested in Penang prior to 2008. Moreover, you did not even know about one big investment until it was announced by the federal government. Penangites are beginning to think your industrial blue print cannot be viewed by the public because you do not have any plan.

You boasted that Penang ranked amongst the Top 10 Most Livable Cities in Asia in 2010 due to your “Competent, Accountable & Transparent” (CAT) state government. The truth is that Penang has been ranked as the Top 10 Most Livable Cities for several years since 1995 by Asiaweek Magazine, awarded “Asean’s 1st Lead City” in 1999 by United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) and voted as one of the Top 10 Most Popular Island Resorts by “Conde Nast Travel Magazine” (UK’s top travel journal in 1999).

Penang’s most livable city status today has nothing to do with you. You only come and bask in the glory of Penang. When your government was near bankruptcy, you surrendered the state’s precious water supply to Najib. What is your hidden agenda in the billion ringgit dam? How much is your accountability in the RM600 million paid to land owners?

You are so proud to hand out 100 ringgit to senior citizens a year. Do you think we have forgotten that your election promise of RM6,000 per family? Where has the money gone to? You complained about unfairness of JPA scholarships to Chinese and Indians. How many scholarships have you given to Chinese and Indians in Penang? Too few for you to boast about. It is a shame.

You paraded the Auditor-General’s Report of 2008 and 2009 as proof of your “best financial management from 2008-2009”. But you conveniently omitted to say that Penang has received high praises from Auditor-General in 2007, before you came to Penang. The previous government had already accumulated a state reserve of close to RM1 billion.

Saudara Guan Eng, we support Pakatan. You can do us a favour by not making our hairs stand on end with your ridiculous claims of miracle-performing. When ordinary Malaysians were battling the police in Kuala Lumpur on Hari Bersih July 9, you were banqueting in Penang with your elites in George Town.

One more thing, the victims of Kampung Buah Pala will come back to haunt you.

Malaysian Indian’s Brains Interloked!

'Pariah was not a fashionable word to insult anyone anymore until this issue surfaced. Therefore Indian leaders, Murugiah, MIC and other Pakatan Indians are equally responsible in revival of this word, which until recently was regularly associated with dogs rather than Indians'

'The day Indian Malaysian themselves reject caste system, seeks equality in social standing and work towards making it non existent in Malaysia, only then the word Pariah will become meaningless and do no harm to anyone, except for maybe the dogs. It's all their own doing and solution is in their own hands therefore, they should not blame the others'

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I received sms today from a lizard brained fellow Indian (I am getting more and more ashamed of being associated with these fellows nowdays). It sounds like this,’very very urgent, please go to Berita Harian online bancian section. Please select batal penggunaan Interlok as currently batal is at 7% and to terus guna is at 67%.

The deputy PM has already announced that some editing might be made to remove allegedly insulting references, Pariah, therefore the bancian and all those sms will benefit only one party, the telcos.

Malaysian Indians, their political leaders from both ends have proven one thing with this episode, they can be hypocrites of the highest order and sometimes, as in this instance, they outdo their counterparts in India. I don’t have to say more about those equally well horned racist and self declared religious extremist, HINDRAF.

Why Now?

The book Interlok has been there for almost 3 decades and no one had any complains. There are many Malaysian Indians who are expert writers, lecturers and even examiners in Bahasa Malaysia. 2 of my high school (early 90s) Bahasa Malaysia teachers were Indians, and I really thought their Bahasa Malaysia were superb and far better than their Malay counterparts. People like them would have certainly come across this novel but chose to remain silent; probably they knew that the word Pariah was relevant, existent and a fact during those years.

As for the masses, Malaysian Indians, except maybe for the youth in national schools, rarely read anything other than a Tamil daily, it is no surprise that only now they have realised the existence of this novel.

I see no reason to remove the Pariah word from the book. Read this to get some idea why.

While I agree that some students may, on purpose use the Pariah word to insult fellow Indian students, it is not a good reason to edit, reprint and distribute the novel all over again. Let’s be realistic, Form 5 student, from my experience, have in their vocabulary , far more degrading, insulting and vulgar words that they could possibly use to insult others.

Pariah was not a fashionable word to insult anyone anymore until this issue surfaced. Therefore Indian leaders, Murugiah, MIC and other Pakatan Indians are equally responsible in revival of this word, which until recently was regularly associated with dogs rather than Indians.

The Maniam family story of coming from a untouchable class or caste is real as many Indians that time thought that they would be able run away from the archaic caste and slavery system in India to start a new lease of life in Malaya. This is true and cannot be denied despite the other reason being better life, survival and nothing else.


Wake Up MIC, Indian Political Leaders, Hindu Sangam & Hindraf.

Caste Politics (MIC & IPF)

I wonder why, suddenly everyone wants to champion the lower class when caste system is still alive in Malaysia. Why these so-called leaders aren’t criticizing existing caste based social structures prevalent in the country, though they are diminishing by the way of mix marriages and ignorance of the better educated lot.

It is a known fact that MIC and it’s leadership are controlled by people of certain upper class or caste. Can they deny this? During the last MIC election, caste was a definitive factor and there was even a group who openly called themselves ‘Nammavar’ which when loosely translated as‘our people’ but silently means ‘our caste’.

When there is rampant acknowledgement of caste politics within the party, why do they suddenly want to defend the untouchables (pariahs) or is it that they feel insulted because they belong to a upper caste and not because the word is insulting to all Indians. I suspect, deep in their heart, the former is the main reason.

MIC’s decades of indulgence in caste politics finally came to open or rather conflict when MG Padithan came to the fore. He managed to become a Vice-President and leadership thought this is the most an untouchable should achieve in the party.

Pandithan’s ouster from MIC in the 80’s revived the caste politics and IPF was born. Pandithan managed to get substantial support from the lower class and caste in estates and other rural areas. If this is not caste politics, I don’t know what is! This is not in an way dissimilar from situation in India where political parties exist mainly to champion respective caste and receive overwhelming support from particular caste. That’s the world’s biggest and flawed democracy at work.

MIC should just shut up and work towards abolishing caste based politics first before thinking of banning any book.

Hindu Sangam Should Just Shut Up

Hindu Sangam’s new leadership found this issue a good opportunity for some cheap publicity for it’s new office bearers. They have chosen to ignore the fact that Hinduism itself is riddled with discrimination based on caste and that even certain gods are associated with certain class and caste. Can they deny this? Why must only people from Brahmin caste can be a temple priest? Until this day people from upper class refuse to enter or even eat in other people’s house deemed to be those in the lower class.

Why don’t Hindu Sangam revolutionise the religion and declare that anyone from any caste can become a priest? I have written to Hindu Sangam on many issues closely related to abuse of religion, cult movements, Thaipusam mayhem , batu caves etc and never received any reply. Hindu Sangam should focus on issues such as this that will benefit the Hindu as a whole. They should just shut up and focus on what they are suppose to do and not waste time on something (Caste) that they themselves legitimize.

Why Don’t They Do This

This Interlok issue provides a golden opportunity for Hindraf and other like minded Indian leaders to reclaim their fast losing support from Indians. If they are insulted with the word ‘Pariah’ they should also be insulted with certain community who identifies themselves by caste. There’s this temple hall at Jalan Ipoh which belongs to a certain caste.

Why don’t Hindraf, who always slams UMNO using the phrase ‘Malay Muslim Terrorist’, go and demolish this hall to prove that they support equality and rejects caste system within the Indian community.

Why burn the books. The book burning incident clearly proves that Indians deserves to be called Pariahs as sometimes they behave like one. Why not burn thousands of books on Hinduism that directly and indirectly promotes and justifies the caste system. Why can’t they discuss and argue this issue in a rational manner rather that becoming emotional.

Why don’t they go and demand that all caste based societies (there are hundreds of them registered with ROS) deregistered.

If Hindu Sangam, MIC , PKR, DAP and Hindraf is really interested to eradicate identification of Indians by caste, they should seek for abolishment of all caste
based societies, temples and NGOs.

They should also demand that Indians should not use their caste names in official documents such as Identity Cards, Birth Certificates and non-official ones such as wedding invitations. I have seen many of those who add caste to their names in the wedding cards although their Identity Cards do not carry one. That’s how particular these people are.

The day Indian Malaysian themselves reject caste system, seeks equality in social standing and work towards making it non existent in Malaysia, only then the word Pariah will become meaningless and do no harm to anyone, except for maybe the dogs. It's all their own doing and solution is in their own hands therefore, they should not blame the others.

Stupid, Incompetent Selangor State Government

The current crisis in Selangor has, as expected revealed the true colours of the Pakatan Rakyat state government.

It has also revealed how inefficient the state government has become despite promising otherwise to the electorate. Let’s put aside Barisan’s supposedly attempts to sabotage the Selangor State government by appointing their own men. There is no need to go deeply into legal terms and laws as this issue needs to viewed practically and use of common sense, something that is no longer common.

While I support the fact that PSC should have consulted MB before recommending any candidate, the response, reaction and statements by Pakatan leaders on this issue says one thing clearly, that this is certainly not a ‘New Hope For Malaysia’state government.

Pakatan Rakyat's Promise after 2008 Elections

One of the key promises made by Pakatan Rakyat after wresting the state government is to review all the laws enacted by the state in the past to ensure justice for all. That is what at least PKR stood for, no matter that many of the ex-leaders claims otherwise.

Why did they not review the state constitution and attempt (since they do not have the 2/3rd majority) remove all the vague clauses and terms which may not be in state’s favour.

Why did they not seek to review the constitution and restore Sultan’s power which they claim has been usurped by BN when the constitution was amended in 1993. Why only now the Pakatan Rakyat government suddenly want to champion to restore Sultan’s power.

Let’s say the Chief Secretary to the government did propose another candidate to MB Khalid, deemed to be favorable, neutral and finally accepted by the Pakatan Rakyat State government, would MB Khalid even bother to look at the constitution and more so table proposal for amendment of the state constitution, purportedly to restore Sultan’s power. I doubt so.

So all these talk of restoring Sultan and State government powers are political charade by Pakatan Rakyat. Go ask Anwar Ibrahim who removed the powers of Sultan in 1993.

And from now till end of January, they will politicise what was originally a standard appointment of a civil servant, and take it to Tenang by-elections, no matter that Tenang is not in Selangor.

Rule of Law, Violation Of Founding Principals, Time Honoured Norms and by Convention

Just google these words by adding Selangor to it and then read my comments below.

Since many so called legal experts and even MB Khalid has conceded that Dayuk Khusrin’s appointment is valid, so there should not be any questions asked then.

But since we have some of the most brilliant spin doctors in the form of lawyers, lecturers and former judges who call themselves constitution experts, they now talk about violation of founding principles, by convention and even vague time honored norms that MB must be consulted since they cannot find fault with the constitution and laws.

The Sultan now has responded in similar fashion although his statement is even clearer, that the appointment is in line with the constitution and by convention. Let’s see how the Pakatan leaning experts and spin doctors respond.

If similar scenario happens when Pakatan is in power at Federal Government, I have no doubt that these Pakatan spin masters, which includes a former judge will say rule of law and constitution must be respected and upheld as they will definitely use whatever terms that appears to be favoring them.

Inefficient MB and Pakatan Rakyat


The Pakatan Rakyat State government would have known that the previous State Secretary , Datuk Ramli Mahmud retires on 31st December 2010. Well, the MB Khalid even attended his farewell party on 17th December.

Khalid would have known well before, that State Secretary is appointed by the Public Service Commission, a unit of Federal government. Ramli Mahmud’s appointment was through this commission.

If Khalid and his team would have been adept and efficient enough, they should have side stepped PSC and proposed their own candidate well in advance, well before PSC presented their candidate of choice to the Sultan on Dec 10th. At least they cannot claim ignorance and sabotage. The state government only formed a selection panel on Nov 27th, just weeks before existing State Secretary retires.

Khalid should know better since he was a CEO of a corporate giant before that usually appointments are made well in advance and replacement candidates should be reporting to work well before existing ones resigns or retires so that a handover process can take place.

There have been reports that the appointment of State Secretary was not taken seriously and was left to the hands of Khalid’s political secretary Faekah Husin. This shows the state government was super inefficient that they only thought about a selection panel for an important position in the state government just 3 weeks before the existing State Secretary retires!

Job Scope, Responsibilities & Diciplinary Actions

Various parties has claimed that Perak’s Pakatan Rakyat state government’s downfall was mainly due to the State Secretary and some predict that the same will happen to Selangor.

I cannot agree to this notion as the main reason for Perak Pakatan Rakyat’s state government downfall was PKR traitors and nothing else, even if the state assemblymen were bought by BN. There were no reported problems with the State Secretary.

Even if MB Khalid and his gang fails to overturn the appointment of Datuk Mohd Khusrin Munawi, there are various other means to manage him and state civil service.

I believe a clear job description and functions of state secretary has been established, therefore Datuk Khusrin should be functioning within the scope provided in his appointment letters. If he is inept and inefficient, like any other organization, actions should be taken.

The Selangor state government can then trumpet to the whole world that PSC appointed the wrong person by clearly spelling out his inefficiencies or flaws should PSC fails to remove Datuk Khusrin, say after 6 months into the job.

Datuk Khusrin will function under oath, therefore if there are any transgression, action can be taken against him. They can charge him in court if he violates oath of secrecy. So what is there for Pakatan Rakyat state government to worry unless they have a lot to hide? What can the state secretary do to sabotage the state government? As if there are not enough people within the Pakatan Rakyat themselves to sabotage their own parties and state government, as what we have been seeing all this while.

Amendment to Constitution

Attempts to amend the constitution are likely to fail as the Pakatan Rakyat government does not have the required 2/3rd majority in the house. The independent and BN assemblymen are highly unlikely to support any form of amendments, full stop. Then why should the state government even bother to hold one, if not for another political charade to amplify supposedly unfair BN Federal Government.

This would be an exercise in futility and sheer stupidity.

Sultan’s Statement

Sultan’s statement released yesterday clearly shows that MB Khalid and various other Pakatan leaders have no regards for the Sultan and his words. MB Khalid has clearly attempted to mislead the press and people in general on what actually had transpired during his audience with the Sultan. MB Khalid was unable to answer to a question on why is he rejecting the candidate proposed by PSC.

The Sultan also confirmed that he has accepted the candidate proposed by PSC and that MB Khalid should have discussed it with PSC BEFORE the appointment was made and not now.

This clearly shows that MB Khalid is either lying or attempting to mislead the people. He should by now rebut the statement made by Sultan’s private secretary if his version of what has transpired is true. If you care to note, the statement from Sultan’s office came late yesterday and was well thought out and covered all angles of the discussion while MB Khalid did not bother to think carefully, draft a carefully worded statement before he spoke to the press, since this involves the palace. Unfortunately, another example of an inept MB is for all to see. Backing him up with various unnecessary statements are his equally inferior and stupid Pakatan leaders.